Re: Singularity: can't happen here

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Mon Sep 10 2001 - 06:53:23 MDT

Samantha Atkins wrote:
> Mike Lorrey wrote:
> >
> > Samantha Atkins wrote:
> > >
> > > This is nearly a declaration of war. Any one got any suggested
> > > new homes for ex-US citizens? If this passes there will be
> > > little reason to be here.
> >
> > I think that the best option is secession of some small population US
> > state. Look at the Free State Project (,
> > which seeks to get 20,000 libertarian minded people to move to one state
> > to tip its political balance toward libertarian policies if not outright
> > secession. Current top candidates are New Hampshire and Alaska, among
> > others like Wyoming, etc. Note that the secessionist party in Alaska
> > allegedly got 25% of the vote in the last election, and New Hampshire
> > has elected more libertarian state legistlators (25) in the last ten
> > years than any other.
> Hahahahaha hehehehe! We can barely get 20,000 people to attend
> a protest rally on these subjects and you want to get them to
> lay their lives, fortunes and citizenship on the line to
> actually seceed from the US? It is a fun dream but I think it
> is really dreamland right now. Assuming you can find these find
> Libertarian brave souls, do you think they will have the means
> or the will to develop a strong enough Defense to survive? Or
> are we talking major technology breakthrough that throws a
> forcefield around the entire state?

a) NH's state constitution retains the right to secede, and has since
before it became the 9th and ratifying signor of the US Constitution.

b) What makes you think a defense is needed beyond the existing state
Air Guard units?

c) YOU can barely get 20 people to agree with your cynicism, but you
don't seem to be aware that the Free State Project has been done before.
The fellow who started the current incarnation is a Yale person who has
dug up evidence that there was a similar organization in the early 70's
at Yale whose purpose was to flood a small state with left wingers to
tip its political balance. The state they chose was Vermont, and they
did get the numbers they wanted to move there, and look at the result
today: socialized medicine, gay marriage, anti-logging laws, and a
confiscatory state education finance law, as well as anti-growth laws
and a ban on BGH in the state.

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