Re: Questions about the Singularity

From: Anders Sandberg (
Date: Fri Sep 07 2001 - 09:37:26 MDT

On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:21:36AM -0700, Mark Walker wrote:
> Waldemar Ingdahl
> suggested that there is some antagonism between eudamonia and the
> singularity. My response is that there is at least some connection, for at
> least some of the Greek philosophers thought that philosophy was
> incomprehensible to the many in just the same way that postsingularity
> beings are often said to be incomprehensible to (at least) presingularity
> human beings.

Hmm, do you mean that since some philosophers thought comprehension of
eudaimonia was not possible for the many and the singularity is also
incomprehensible, there is a link? That sounds rather far-fetched.

> The most vivid description of this is Plato's myth of the cave
> (in the Republic) where he contrasts the wisdom of the philosopher king as
> being analogous to a free person enjoying the sunlight; while the vast
> majority of humanity are like slaves who live there whole life shackled to a
> cave wall forever cut-off from seeing things as they truly are.

In the singularity case *all* of humanity are shackled to the wall, and
the images we see do not have any necessary relationship with the
post-singularity world. To extend the analogy, they could just be
reflections from a puddle of water near the entrance. The eudaimonic
issue is how to get out of the cave, and it is likely not helped by
intense study of the waves.

Anders Sandberg                                      Towards Ascension!                  
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