Re: Global Warming (was Re: NEWS: Ageing recession warning)

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Mon Sep 03 2001 - 18:00:26 MDT

Charlie Stross wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 11:00:23AM -0700, James Rogers wrote:
> >
> > Two points:
> >
> > 1) Your example is anecdotal. There have been an unusually large number of
> > major earthquakes in the last ten years as well, but I'm not going to claim
> > that it means anything significant at this stage.
> Yes, it's anecdotal.
> > 2) Global warming should make things *colder* at your latitude, not warmer
> > (more extreme latitude gradient with respect to temperature).
> Uh-huh. You're maybe thinking about the postulated shutdown of the north
> Atlantic conveyor current, perhaps?

Among others, despite the fact that it seems that almost all of the
warming is at polar latitudes, and I don't see any Siberians complaining
that the average temps there rose from -40 to a balmy -38 degrees....
Note the relative latitude of Britain vs the US. This summer has been
the coldest in many decades in my area. Should I therefore deduce an ice
age? No, I shouldn't. All of the warming has been during the past 22
years, which was one side of the solar magnetic cycle. With the flipping
of the solar mangetic field this winter, we are going to be entering a
22 year cooling period. Expect predictions of 'global warming' to
dissipate accordingly.

> > Also, the best models and most current studies I've seen to date seem to
> > strongly suggest that a little global warming leads to a massive cold snap
> > (i.e. "ice age"), not a melting of the ice caps, so "global warming" would
> > therefore seem to give most people the wrong idea of the actual
> > consequences. It won't be Cabo San Lucas in Minnesota, quite the opposite
> > in fact.
> I vaguely recall reports that most of the debunking research papers published
> on global warming are funded by the oil industry. However, it's not my field
> so I'll shut up for now (until I have time to read up on it in detail). Point
> of note: global warming appears to be a much more accepted theory/hypothesis
> outside the USA. You might want to consider the political implications ...

Yes, please do, including the political fact that any proposed global
warming solution would require the flow of trillions of dollars into the
coffers of those countries crying the loudest about global warming,
irrespective of wheter or not warming does in fact exist. They know a
good thing when they see it.

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