Re: Fw: Back to Serfs and Royalty?

From: J. R. Molloy (
Date: Sun Sep 02 2001 - 08:53:43 MDT

From: "Charlie Stross" <>
> Are you sure of that?

Unless you can identify the product, yes, I'm sure.

> There was an incident in 1999 when Bill Clinton nearly had to declare
> personal bankruptcy; why do you think he's treading the lecture circuit
> so eagerly?

Donald Trump and Al Capone were once close to bankruptcy. Crooks have their
ups and downs, I guess. That's show biz. I still say there's generally more
dead wood in government than in private industry, despite individual cases.

> As a general rule of thumb, government salaries are a pittance compared
> to their private enterprise equivalents.

Compared to what they actually accomplish, government bosses are more overpaid
than their private enterprise counterparts (the ones that _produce_ wealth).

From: "Robert J. Bradbury" <>
> Actually, in fact, I'm more than angry.
> I'm really incredibly f**king pissed off.

LOL, that's good, Robert. Just remember, it's better to be pissed off than
pissed on.
While you're at it, why not piss on some worthless political party bosses.
(BTW, 8 X 400K = 2.4 million, so the president IS paid millions of dollars --
for no identifiable product.)

So, what I said still stands:
If there is a problem, it's concentrated more in government (the PC ruling
class) than in private industry (the working class). Most overpaid bosses are
in government, starting with the US president, who is paid millions and is
responsible for no identifiable product.
Massive government layoffs = extropy.

From: "Spike Jones" <>
> Perhaps we have identified the problem. For a paltry few million US, one
> can hire a decent CEO. Since the POTUS only gets 140k, we keep ending
> up with these yahoos that no one would trust with an actual business.

Very true. In the US we have the best government money can buy, so maybe we
should stop paying them under the table and make their bribes public.

From: "Charlie Stross" <>
> Bill Gates --
> whose company I detest -- has nevertheless done something I quite admire
> recently; he's allocated a not-inconsiderable sum ($750M) to a public
> health scheme in south-east

He gave them stock in Microsoft equivalent to $750M (not cash). Big
difference, because it means the public health of south Asians is tied to the
future fate of Microsoft, thus giving south Asians reason to support Bill

Stay hungry,

--J. R.

Useless hypotheses, etc.:
 consciousness, phlogiston, philosophy, vitalism, mind, free will, qualia,
analog computing, cultural relativism, GAC, Cyc, Eliza, cryonics, individual
uniqueness, ego

     Everything that can happen has already happened, not just once,
     but an infinite number of times, and will continue to do so forever.
     (Everything that can happen = more than anyone can imagine.)

We won't move into a better future until we debunk religiosity, the most
regressive force now operating in society.

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