From: "Jerry Mitchell" <jmitch12@tampabay.rr.com>
>>>Jerry Mitchell" <jmitch12@tampabay.rr.com>
>>>Maybe then you can clarify the exact point in time and space
>>>that "Stock options" and the days that are above the minimum
>>>were fought for and achieved? While you at it, find out where
>>>they were forced to pay for my relocation to a new city for this
>>>job.
>>>What about my company bonus? When did the evil business owners
>>>collapse to the demands for this?
>> Sure, glad to help....
>
>> The shift in the time-space continuum you refereed to occurred
>> in Chicago on May 4th 1886.
>
>> Without this occurring we probably wouldn't even have minimum
>>wage yet.
>
>I figured you would dodge this. I didn't ask about when minimum
>wage started, I'm asking why everyone isn't getting paid minimum
>wage?!
I didn't dodge the question I answered it exactly. You asked for
the exact point in space and time.
On May 4th 1886 at Haymarket Square in Chicago was the point in
space/time when relationships between employers and employees was
permanently altered.
The sociological singularity that occured on that day like any good
singularity began literally with a "BANG".
The results have cascaded down through space-time since then and
have resulted in the benefits you received.
>What proof? If a company pays you 50K instead of 25K, they cant
>hire that 2nd person. Cant imagine anyone not getting that.
No the proof that without "Union Interference" we would all have
been better off.
>You missed my point again. They don't have the funds to hire you
>for 3, only 2.50. If this logic worked, we could just raise the
>minimum wage to a million dollars an hour and well all be rich
>right? Just pay them all more is the mantra here right?
You missed my point, If you were worth $6.00 dollars, they'd have
no problem hiring you for $3.00.
>I personally have 1 uncle that works at Ford on the assembly line.
>He makes 45K for reasonable unskilled work due to union pressure.
>The companies may be making a profit, but I wonder how much more
>they could have grown otherwise. How many more jobs would have
>been created. How many more people hired? Maybe they might be
>buying Fords in Japan if that had been the case?
Ford has been moving it's production to Mexico. Much of the high
cost of assembly line work is due to the sheer drudgery of it.
Have you checked management compensation at Ford?
>Yeah, like I said, the teamsters were simply angels.
I never said that you did.
Hopefully you will never end up in a situation where you are
literally fighting to feed your kids, you'd be amazed at what your
capable of.
>Microsoft is NOT a coercive monopoly. Only the government can
>create an organization and use the power of force to keep it on
>top (like post office, utilities, etc..). Microsoft is on top
>because they provide a product that people WANT to buy.
The government and millions of critics disagree.
>But those poor ragged starving masses cant distort the market it
>seems, even with the power of a union. Its so easy to empathize
>with those sweet innocent non-violent unions when the antagonist
>is some burly evil corporation that kills, maims, and steal little
>children's candy for the fun of it.
If you can't abstain from the rhetoric, this is just a waste of
time.
Brian
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