Re: Immigration (was Re: US Science Education Sucks)

From: Randy Smith (
Date: Sun Aug 26 2001 - 12:29:18 MDT

>From: "E. Shaun Russell" <>
>Subject: Re: Immigration (was Re: US Science Education Sucks)
>Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:31:02 -0700
>Tiberius wrote:
>>Most come from two rural provinces in Mexico. Many also come from
>>other countries in latin america, But it doesn't matter if they come
>>from the country or the city, or some other country. MOSTLY, they are
>>uneducated peasants, and they bring an uneducated peasant culture with
>>them and an uneducated, superstitious peasant brain with them..
>Though I don't like the way you say it,

Probably because you are not familiar with their wretched culture :-)

>you may be partially correct;
>however, the Latin American peasants you denounce also bring with them the
>willingness to do jobs that very few born Americans would want to do...and
>for less money.

If they were not here, the jobs would pay more, and citizens would be
willing to do them.

>Ask your average American if he or she would be willing to
>shovel a farm's worth of cow shit for a week for $200, and I think you know
>what the answer would be. Ask your average Hispanic the same question, and
>many would jump at the opportunity. The presence of Latin American
>immigrants is more of a benefit to the economy than a detriment as I see
>>I could be wrong.

You mean that the imported mexican labor benefits the personal ecomomies of
the persons who pay to have cow shit shoveled in America, and it hurts the
personal economies of those American citizens who have the right to work
here--whose ancestors built this country, helped this country claw its way
up from predominant peasantry--and would like to shovel cow shit if the
price were worthwhile. Of course, there are two sides to every story, but
that side is being ignored.

>I had the misfortune of being born fifteen
>miles on the wrong side of the US/Canada border.

I had the misfortune of not being born filthy rich, etc....

>As the
>COO of Kryos Biomedical and the Operations Officer etc. of Extropy
>Institute, I am most certainly not taking jobs away from Americans; one of
>the jobs was essentially not able to be filled by any American, and the
>other required a keen interest in an obscure area.
>Divorced from my obvious personal bias, I think it is a dangerous game to
>close the border(s) (which you may not be proposing), and it breeds both
>cultural arrogance ("We can do it ourselves...we don't need those
>*outsiders*") and xenophobia. To me, neither of those traits seem very

At my workplace, when we want to hire someone to do a job, we look at their
resumes. Some resumes I see are interesting--I think to myself, "Hey, this
person could help us out, etc.". When I look at a mexican peasant's resume,
I don't find much to interest me. They may have strong backs, but there are
already citizens living here with strong backs. You, however, are an
entirely different matter....

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