Re: New Ways of Thinking

From: J. R. Molloy (
Date: Mon Aug 06 2001 - 12:54:53 MDT

From: "Lee Corbin" <>
> Can you explain more what you mean by direct experience
> in the absense of thought?

When the brain observes, listens, and feels without commenting...
By direct experience in the absence of thought I mean first hand, in person
experience. For example, the first time one bites into a tomato, the
experience is direct and may occur without any thought happening at the same
time. Driving a car 200 MPH, some drivers report that the experience displaces
the ordinary stream of thought. It is direct and unfiltered by thinking about
it. So direct experience in the absence of thought is nevertheless registered
in the brain, and sometimes registered more vividly than would be the case if
accompanied or diluted by thinking.

> > It was forgotten long ago, and it can be remembered right now.
> What evidence do you have for this claim? I.e., how do you
> know that there was something "long ago" that existed, but
> is presently lost, but which can be "remembered"?

If one remembers it, then that one will not ask for evidence, right? And if
one persists in forgetting, then evidence is not possible. The kind of memory
referred to here is the kind that one experiences when one "remembers

> > Who is it that seeks this control if not the old brain?
> Yes, it is the old mind---that is, our present minds---which
> seek this control.

Perhaps the word "mind" obscures the issue, because this word can be
interpreted in more than one way. So I say parts of the brain seek control,
and as the brain comes to recognize and acknowledge the unity of reality, it
understands that control is an illusion.

--J. R.

Useless hypotheses, etc.:
 consciousness, phlogiston, philosophy, vitalism, mind, free will, qualia,
analog computing, cultural relativism, GAC, Cyc, Eliza, and ego.

     Everything that can happen has already happened, not just once,
     but an infinite number of times, and will continue to do so forever.
     (Everything that can happen = more than anyone can imagine.)

We won't move into a better future until we debunk religiosity, the most
regressive force now operating in society.

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