Re: Extropian War on Religion( Lee Corbin -this is for you)

From: Party of Citizens (
Date: Sat Jul 28 2001 - 18:16:26 MDT

On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Samantha Atkins wrote:

> Lee Corbin wrote:
> >
> > John Grigg answered what he meant by "absolutely 100% certain" in
> >
> > >> Personally, I agree with Samantha that a person in our age does
> > >> not yet have enough information to be absolutely 100% certain all
> > >> religious/spiritual beliefs are ultimately false and that there
> > >> is no God and/or afterlife.
> >
> > John, I am as certain that there is no God as I am that a
> > man walked on the moon, and equally sure that there is no
> > non-technological afterlife, as say the proponents of
> > reincarnation claim. I am less confident in making any
> > blanket statement about all religions, and especially about
> > spirituality, as it's still not clear what we should mean
> > by those terms. I hope to write something on spirituality
> > soon. Thanks for finally getting back.
> Ah. Are you as certain that your idea of technology and what it
> can and will be into the indefinite future is complete enough
> that you can be certain what that future technology (almost
> indistinquishable from magic) will and will not enable? Are you
> certain that none of that near-magic is not already afoot and
> that none of it had a part in our own being here? If there is
> an afterlife it will be through technology we can see coming or
> through technology that we don't have much clue about that may
> or may not already be locally present.
> If you can do uploads and downloads then reincarnation or
> something that looks very much like it is a piece of cake.

>From the perspective of second and third person perception,
indistinguishable from it. It is literally RE-incarnation.

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