Re: regarding the YINYANG post on extropians

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Sat Jul 28 2001 - 16:15:39 MDT

Party of Citizens wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> > Party of Citizens wrote:
> > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> > > > Party of Citizens wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Harvey Newstrom wrote:
> > > > > > > Extropy is not a religion, but cryonics tries very hard to be one.
> > > > > > We are addressing the same purposes that religion serves, and are trying to
> > > > > > achieve the same goals that religionists desire.
> > > > > Bull's eye.
> > > > Show me some organization in society which DOESN'T address similar
> > > > purposes.
> > > Nice going, Robin Hood. I think you split the arrow in the bull's eye.
> > > "Ubiquitous religiosity"?
> > At which point, the term loses all meaning, indicating that someone is
> > trying to paint with too broad a brush.
> There are universals in social-political sciences, or close to
> universals. For example, all societies I know of have
> leaders. Purposiveness of all institutions quickly takes us into values,
> mores, totem and taboo...RELIGION.

Again, too broad a brush. Religion applys ubiquitously to all aspects of
society only so long as those aspects are not understood by science,
when there is still 'mystery' about the working of nature. Religion is
explaination of nature by ad hoc bardism, not by cross examination,
testing, hypothesis and experiment. Looking critically at nature is
blasphemy to religion as a matter of course, as nature just IS and 'it
is not our place' to look critically at it.
Scientific examination over time erodes the ubiquity of religion as more
becomes known and less is mysterious. Equating science with religion is
an exercise of a sort of deconstructivism and moral relativity that is a
sort of 'means justifying the ends' amorality (since deconstructivism
and moral relativity are themselves primarily the tools of the
anti-religious) of strategy that implicates the bankruptcy to which
religion has descended in its 'fight or flight' fear response to the
illuminating effect of science.

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