Re: Don't Forget To Upload The ENS

From: J. R. Molloy (
Date: Sun Jul 22 2001 - 16:38:01 MDT

From: "Anders Sandberg" <>
> I can concieve of a very non-godlike automated system for uploading. You
> need a scanner (lets say a nanotech version of the microtome slicer with
> camera, giving detailled cell strcture data), an automated
> reconstruction modeller that simply takes the data and does a fairly
> simple conversion to a compartment model of the neurons and a runtime
> system running the simulation. No need for even human-level AI anywhere,
> although the pattern recognition aspect could likely be improved by some
> extra smarts.

Sure, and I can conceive of a magic potion to do the same thing.
None of the versions of hardware you mention actually exists. The "runtime
system" you imagine would need to exceed the capacity of all extant hardware,
and if the intelligence necessary to do this does not exceed human-level, we'd
have one _now_.
It doesn't help to underestimate the difficulty of building hardware, but I
sympathize with your exuberant optimism, it's just that I think it makes more
sense to build a UIM than to dream about uploading without one.

Stay hungry,

--J. R.

Useless hypotheses, etc.:
 consciousness, phlogiston, philosophy, vitalism, mind, free will, qualia,
analog computing, cultural relativism, GAC, CYC, and ELIZA

     Everything that can happen has already happened, not just once,
     but an infinite number of times, and will continue to do so forever.
     (Everything that can happen = more than anyone can imagine.)

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