Re: SETI/ASTRO: MBrains/JBrains & Globular Clusters

From: Eugene Leitl (
Date: Wed Jul 18 2001 - 05:06:45 MDT

On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Samantha Atkins wrote:

> Well, if you expect all advanced others to be utterly Darwinian and
> expansive then your argument seems tight. But that assumption is just
> that, an assumption. It is probably as pointless for us to attempt to

Not quite, it's a statistical argument. Out of a population of cultures,
only expansive ones will autoamplify for their signatures to become
detectable over astronomical distances.

All the other ones are irrelevant, charming and sophisticated that they
surely are.

> say what all post-Singularity species will be like as to attempt to
> say in any detail what the local Singularity will be like. We are not

The local Singularity is not a process involving a single agent, but a
population of agents, (though the nucleation event might involve a single
entity, but it obviously can't last). Unless there's a sterilization
mechanism associated with operation of a class of agents, you've got the
stellar substrate nucleated already. As soon as we get into space, but can
be damn sure the disaspora will begin, and the old self-selection game of
wavefront organisms will apply.

> remotely equipped to do so. But I would certainly hope that we can
> think of better games to play than infinite Darwinian expansion until
> we run out of universe or run into something more single-mindedly
> Darwinian and expansionist than ourselves.

Life expands, it's its nature. You may view it as horrific, or beatiful,
but the facts stand for itself. I personally don't have any voicable
opinion on it: either way it's fine with me.

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