Re: The Extropian Religious War

From: Samantha Atkins (
Date: Wed Jul 11 2001 - 02:04:04 MDT

Natasha Vita-More wrote:

> When Tiberius Gracchus wrote on a parallel thread "...the churches are
> typically packed with the elderly and sick superstitious, trying to get to
> the next world...."

That has not been my experience at all. I have met very vibrant
and engaged people in churches as well as outside them. I have
met far more open-hearted and deeply motivated to change the
world people in churches/religions than outside them.

> I realized it was his/her personal view, however it
> makes me wonder why. People who go to church, people who value ideas other
> than extropian ideas, people who have a desire or need for

How about "who value ideas other than what some think are the
limits of exptropian ideas"? The above makes it sound like
there is precisely this opposition and fundamental incompatible
that I don't agree exists or not as widely as is often assumed.

>spirituality are
> not backward and unintelligent. Many are creative and highly intelligent
> and who simply see things a different way because of deeply ingrained
> belief systems, early imprinting, fear of the unknown, social conditioning,
> professional affiliation, or simply like the music, atmosphere and wine.

Some of us don't buy that the future we dream of can be acheived
by only science, technology and a fairly rigidly defined
rationality. We are after any and all means that are a help and
especially after a unifying vision.

Some of us are there because we grok the deep transcendent
energy present and the caring openness and find it a very
fertile place to sow extropian memes. <g>

It really isn't an either/or im my book and experience.

> Unless and until those who petition their particular religions views to
> impede the direction, progress and accomplishments of extropian
> transhumanist views, the only war is within the domain of rigidity.

Or vice versa.

- samantha

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