Re: The Extropian Religious War

From: L B (
Date: Mon Jul 09 2001 - 10:01:41 MDT

--- "Michael M. Butler" <> wrote:
> L B wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all! I got this off the Extropy website and
> wonder
> > at this point what it all means to us. I realize
> that
> > I am pretty green on this list, and that we should
> not
> > all believe everything we read, but I think you
> > understand the source and nature my questioning.
> <snip>
> Well, I have to say that I don't. What _is_ your
> questioning?
> If I don't know that, I can't understand the source
> and nature
> of it.

Sorry, Mike. "Blah blah blah...wonder what it all
means to us." was a suggestion of it. I was trying not
to be antagonistic, and at times being too direct can
cause people to think this. The perils of being a
newbie, I guess. :)

Yes, my question is this: the recent religious war
seems to fly in the face of most of Max More's
outline, and I wonder if a war at all is in keeping
with these principles. Are these principles really
part of extropian thinking? Were they just Max More's
own interpretation of extropianism, an interpretation
that it is not necessary to agree with to call onself
an extropian?

Just didn't expect such hot tempers on this list. I
know nothing, Mike, but am a very peaceful person.
Just trying to understand, and leaving open-endedness
for the sake of a thorough education. Sorry it was so

It doesn't seem like defending religion or debunking
it requires anger or insults. It seems anger and
insult actually detracted from the arguments I read,
making the spiritual people (who would often have
everyone believe they were more peaceful people for
it) very belligerent, and also making the anti-theists
seem irrrational, reminiscent of the day I saw a
2-year-old scream at everyone because he had erasers
stuck in his ears but couldn't hear anyone who was
trying to help.

I am at a loss after reading Max's list. I am sure it
is of very little consequence overall, but religion
and anti-religion are two things I would like to
understand better. I can't this way. Both sides in
this war were not only uninformative, but I now
understand less than before. So I question extropian
principles in light of the war.

I realize I am leaving myself open to being bashed by
both sides of the conflict, but there it is. Bash
away, I am tough and won't strike back. It is not my


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