Re: Boeing's HAL-2001

From: Adrian Tymes (wingcat@pacbell.net)
Date: Thu Sep 28 2000 - 21:55:48 MDT


At best, a virtual cockpit like they use for professional airplane
simulators, with data coming in as close to real-time as possible, and
controls laid out more or less like in a "real" fighter. Autopilot for
flight, takeoff, and landing, so that the pilot's active attention is
only required when getting to the combat zone, though the pilot may be
present whenever the aircraft goes through potentially hostile airspace
just in case. One could use this system to have multiple jets cycling
in and out of an airspace, but only need a few pilots swapping their
controls between these planes (the rest either coming or going on auto,
or in the hangar being serviced for their next launch). Count on the
military seeing this version.

At worst, a video screen and a two-button PC joystick, with a keyboard.
Don't be surprised to see this marketed as a spinoff source of revenue
on the game market (which you and I might see) as "the real thing". If
that happens, don't be surprised to see people to get up in arms because
Our Enemies might buy the game, practice on it, then use it as their
interface when they hack into the plane's controls and turn these planes
against The Free World (even though any remote control would be
*heavily* secured, to the point where any possible hacks would be, at
most, barely theoretically possible even to one of our pilots going
traitor).

...

Sorry. I've had a long day fighting the forces of stupidity.

Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
>
> I don't know yet. Hopefully Boeing will answer. If it is remote control as
> you say below, how would you envisage that? What about a remote human
> pilot surrounded by a kind of VR set with all the images from the
> dog-fight before him/her and the capacity to react which will immediately
> be delivered to the pilotless plane? Or something else?
> FWP
>
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Adrian Tymes wrote:
>
> > Are you sure that by "pilotless", Boeing isn't just referring to
> > no-pilot-in-the-airplane? There's a difference between remote control
> > and AI.
> >
> > Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:
> > >
> > > Given that the X-45 will be autonomous and not under tele-robotic control,
> > > how would you rate its overall AI capabilities?
> > > FWP
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:46:46 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Franklin Wayne Poley <fwpoley@vcn.bc.ca>
> > > Reply-To: EDTV-Robotics-State-Of-The-Art@egroups.com
> > > To: wwwmail.boeing@pss.boeing.com
> > > Cc: edtv-robotics-state-of-the-art@egroups.com
> > > Subject: [EDTV-Robotics-State-Of-The-Art] X-45's Machine Vision System re
> > > "Human Equivalency"
> > >
> > > Dear Boeing:
> > > Last night a CTV news clip showed sketches of the X-45, a
> > > pilotless fighter craft which Boeing expects to have ready for use by
> > > 2010. However, I couldn't find it on your web site. Could you please
> > > direct me to someone who would be able to answer a few questions for a
> > > proposed educational television program on robotics-state-of-the-art?
> > > In particular I am wondering about the X-45's artificial vision system.
> > > If the pilotless fighter is to be competitive with humans it must have an
> > > artifificial vision and object recognition system to surpass that of
> > > humans, ie to exceeed "human equivalency". What current technologies make
> > > Boeing confident that the X-45 will surpass human equivalency in this
> > > sense?
> > >
> > > Thank you-FWP
> > >
> > > http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology.htm
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