Re: >H Shutting the Internet Down.

From: Forrest Bishop (
Date: Mon Jul 17 2000 - 03:13:49 MDT

Paul Hughes wrote:
> Transhuman Mailing List
> I just read this article by Robert X. Cringley:
> Original Article:

> Carnivore is a sealed box that is installed at the network
> operations center of an Internet Service Provider. It filters packets,
> finds e-mail going to and from [whomever], and saves that
> e-mail for later decryption and analysis.
> What bothers me is the damned box. Why would the FBI need a
> box? Here's all the FBI will say about Carnivore. It sits on the
> network at the ISP, is PC-based, is "a kind of a sniffer," identifies
> and saves packets associated with [whomever],

> You don't need a sealed box
> to do any of these tasks, most of which are already being done for
> completely legal reasons right inside the router at every ISP.

> So why the box?
> The probable reason is because cops like to be in control.

> But wait, it gets [more interesting].
> usually comes with nifty things
> like redundant backbone connections and diesel generators

> This still leaves us wondering why the FBI insists on this program
> that isn't really necessary to do what they say they want to do.

> But I have my own theory about Carnivore.... If
> we ever hear a proposal from the FBI in which it plans to install
> Carnivores at all 6000 ISPs in the U.S., we'll be giving the
> government the power to do something it can't do right now.
> Shut the Internet down.

Maybe, but this would be self-defeating.
What would the internet look like in wartime? Would there not be
military personel at every physical ISP? Would not a Carnivore box
provides a sealed, standardized sniffer etc.?

Forrest Bishop
Interworld Productions, LLC
Institute of Atomic-Scale Engineering

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