Re: psi as a boundary breaking possibility

From: CYMM (
Date: Wed Jul 12 2000 - 17:04:06 MDT

SCERIR SAID: "...Are vector-potentials (the Bohm-Aharonov nonlocal effect)
relevant (to PSI)?..."

CYMM SAYS: Bohm was explicit about nonlocality. He posited this potential
that extended wayyy beyond the support of any local field.

I'm not a physicist... but I think that if we're willing to interpret the
axioms of QM broadly enough to quantize EMERGENT dynamical systems just as
we do hard physical dynamics... then the system potentials thereof will
emerge as Bohm-like potentials.

It probably isn't even necessary to be broadminded with the axioms... such
things may be deducible from first (Copenhagen) principles applied to
complex systems.

I think Joos' et al work on decoherence points in that direction. If this
stuff is true, as I allude to in my post below... then PSI might be doable.

One of the things that I would like to do when I retire is to set up an
experiment where a tunnel diode feeds a really random stream of numbers into
a computer (...running linux, of course!...) and a program analyzes the
stream in realtime chunks for deviation from randomness.

The program feeds this information (maybe even as an overt reward...) to the
human who's trying to modify the stream. So hopefully the human can learn to
develop his/her "PSI" powers if such exist.

Even if the learning is entirely subconscious or unconscious... or the
subject is not human (my rottweilers or macaws... or baby chicks - each
group with appropriate rewards); there may be more substantial modification
of the stream than with the noninteractive experiments.

Unfortunately, my main concern when I retire next year is LE and developing
cognitive software. And there are only so many hours in a day.


-----Original Message-----
From: scerir <>
To: extropians <>
Date: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: psi as a boundary breaking possibility

>CYMM wrote:
>I see it [PSI] as possibly a consequence of quantum nonlocality; and
>emergent wavefunctions (QWFs) of complex adaptive systems.
>Such systems may generate QWFs coupled to an emergent system potential.
>In such a system the Born Rule might fail; allowing failure of Eberhard's
>Theorem and bona-fide instantaneous transfer of information.
>If a "conscious" mind is a quantum mechanical process (e.g, controlled
>periodic decoherence in time of a macroscopic QWF representing the
>computational properties of a complex enough neural net...); then mind &
>can fit into the quantum scenario.
>Matti Pitkanen is working on that, I suppose. His site is
>Are vector-potentials (the Bohm-Aharonov nonlocal effect) relevant?

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