RE: Value of prizes ?
Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:49:29 -0700

Rob Harris Cen-IT, <>, writes:
> If I see this post one more time......I'll go on a killing spree through
> town.
> > ----------
> > From: Mike Linksvayer[]
> > Reply To:
> > Sent: 06 June 1999 03:12
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Value of prizes ?

I agree that there seems little possibility that this message is going to stop being sent. It has been almost a week now.

At first I tried sending mail to However whois on reveals:


Administrative Contact:

      Linksvayer, Mike  (ML229)  ml@AU.COM
      (415) 431-0775
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Administrator, Domain  (DA550)  domain@PAIR.COM
      1 412 681 6932 (FAX) 1 412 681 6945
   Billing Contact:
      Linksvayer, Mike  (ML229)  ml@AU.COM
      (415) 431-0775

So Mike himself is the owner of the domain, and from what he says I gather that he is convinced that the mail is not originating from his machine. appears to be serving as the ISP and presumably the mail forwarder for Mike. I checked their web page and they provide a variety of web hosting services. My guess is that they are responsible for the bounces. I sent mail today to postmaster, support, and abuse asking them to look into the problem, so hopefully they will do something about it.

If this fails I believe we should begin telephoning the contact numbers at to try to get their attention.

Mike, can you confirm that is/was your mail relay and that they are the likely culprit?

One problem in terms of tracking this problem down is that our list software does not include the mail headers for incoming mail. My mail arrives looking like:

Received: from ( [])
        by (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08916174F
        for <>; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:37:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
        by (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA28888
        for extropians-outgoing; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:36:13 -0600

The very first Received line is the first step in the outgoing mail path from the local machine the list runs on. There is no indication of where the mail came from before then. Perhaps the list managers might be able to manually inspect these incoming messages and determine where they are coming from.