Re: Extropians & Liberty

Jeff Davis (
Sun, 23 May 1999 14:00:29 -0700

Raymond G. Van De Walker ( on Sun, 23 May 1999 23:27:27 PDT, wrote:

>I'm a newbie, and I strongly suspect I should not post on this topic.

But the camel's nose is already in the tent, isn't it? I like this guy already. We've all been there.

>However, there are some apparent contradictions between extropian and

"I'm shocked, shocked! to find there's gambling going on here!"

>at least as I understand them, and I have read the reading list.

Read the list? You mean the WHOLE list? Ouch! My hat is off to you, sir. You have done your homework. Such a one is a man to be reckoned with.

>Also, I might be a pretty rare bird, since I espoused objectivist and
libertarian principles for
>almost twenty years, and I now believe I have reasonable arguments and

"Take us to DEFCON 3; alert the missiles and scramble the bombers." "I am not a crook." "Open the pod bay doors, Hal." "Set phasers to stun." "Art is anything you can get away with."

> against some extreme claims

Extreme claims? Hmmm. No. I'm sorry. I don't know anything about any extre...Has any one else heard of any extreme claims? Sorry, sir, but no one hereabouts has heard anything about any extreme claims. Perhaps you have the wrong office. Try down the hall. Third door on the right. You can't miss it. Little sign says "Jupiter Brain". Maybe they can help. Good luck. Nice tie.

>of both objectivists and anarcho-syndicalist libertarians. I would be
>to see if these reasons make sense to any of you.
>Should I stay out of this?

Bear on Macduff, and damned be he who first cries, "Hold! Enough!"

>I have no interest in boring or inflaming the list members.

Collateral damage is unavoidable.

Welcome to Oz.

Best, Jeff Davis

	   "Everything's hard till you know how to do it."
					Ray Charles