Mark stated,
"For your utopia to succeed, you'll have to use force to stop me getting
what I want."
Do you really believe that our basic goals are so contrary that I would not get what I want by helping you get what you want? Mark, I don't think you realize how easily others can lead you around by your desires (like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey). You are actually quite helpless to resist those who offer you what you want. Would you refuse your own desires? Because I am intelligent, I would never use force to modify your behavior. If I did, you would resist me. Because I am intelligent, I would use your own deepest desires to change whatever behaviors I wanted to.
I can get far more cooperation out of you by helping you then by forcing you.
My utopia is all about helping everyone achieve what they really want. Why would anyone resist that?
we are helpless to resist our deepest desires
David_Musick@juno.com