Lies & Mud vs Holism

Ian Goddard (
Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:14:38 -0400

At 10:32 AM 6/23/98 +1200, Gerhard Kessell-Haak wrote:

>>>To state that ?A = -A?, where the context of the left side is different
>>>the context of the right side is logically invalid, and is an abuse of the
>>>?=? sign.
>> IAN: That's not what I said.
>Well, here's a direct quote:
>> .. So A = -A and does not = -A at the same time in different contexts.
>Like I said, Ian, go to a local college and learn about what you're talking
>about before trying to convince others.

IAN: Gerhard, try to honestly represent
what your opponent is saying before trashing
them personally whist entirely avoiding the
actual issue yourself. It is a lie to proclaim
that I stated that "=" means what appears on
the left is different than what appears on
the right, but that's what your saying I
said even as I posted extensively citing
the traditional usage of the "=" to mean
that what appears on the right is the
SAME AS what appears on the left.

What your saying is the same as saying
that someone who said "Don't X" said
"Do X." It is a falsehood by 100%.

What you have selected out of all that I've
presented to the list does not even say
what you wish it to say but just might out
of context as you have it. "Different con-
texts" in my sentence means that, for ex-
ample, while the color of A may = the color
of -A, the size of A may =/= the size of -A.

"Color" and "size" are the two contexts, NOT
the left and right side of the A = -A statement.

>>>I?ve noted that you (and others) repeatedly use terms such as
>>>and ?measure? - unfortunately these terms are only valid for sets
>>>these can have meaning (such as the set of Reals). For example, for
>>>set of operators O = {+, -, *}, where O is not a Paeno set, what is the
>>>difference between {+} and {-} ?
>> IAN: That's tangential. Glad you
>> found the time to make a case that
>> really has nothing to do with the topic.
>I'm betting that you don't have a clue as to what the above means ....

IAN: What would it matter? Your asking an
obvious question about the difference between
functions as opposed to identities. The net
difference between (+) and (-) (to answer
your question) is zero, for the inverse
of adding 5 is subtracting 5, and ex-
pressing the total displacements
as vectors yields the 0 vector.


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