Re: 'Water-powered car' enigma

Michael Lorrey (
Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:25:10 -0400

MikeRose wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Lee Daniel Crocker wrote:
> > > Actually it is, consult Psychedelic Illuminations # 6 on how to convert your
> >
> > it. A hydrogen-fueled car may be useful for some applications, but it
> > is not practical with present technology, and it is not zero-emission
> > if you include the emissions of the power plant used to produce the
> > Hydrogen. There's no conspiracy, and there's no free lunch.
> The guy in Psychedelic Illuminations had the plans and said that the car
> worked. Why would he lie? He didn't mention power plants producing
> hydrogen. He just mentioned water and a few (small) batteries.
> I cannot remember the details, maybe someone could post them so that we
> can clear this issue, I'd like to know if the guy is a barefaced liar!

just from what you just said, I can tell that he is a liar. There is
absolutely no way to move the entire mass of a car with the output of a
few "small batteries". At best, a few motorcycle batteries could power
an electric motor on a car for a few hundred yards. It does not matter
if you are turning the electric potential into electrolysed hydrogen in
the process, except for making the process even more inefficient, as
combustion engines are less efficient than electric motors, with the
exception of constant load turbine generators. The thing you need to
understand is that the amount of electricity you have in the batteries
limits the total amount of hydrogen you can produce, as electrolysis
merely stores that energy in the hydrogen molecules. Unless he is
claiming that he is getting energy from a cold fusion process, there is
no way he can justify powering an automobile on the energy in a few
small batteries, and even then, he must have a really good CF technology
to produce a minimum of 200% surplus output to be usefull in propelling
a car.

			Michael Lorrey
------------------------------------------------------------		Inventor of the Lorrey Drive

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