I Tire Of Pessimistic Acceptance Of Death. (Immortality: Avoiding Religious Persecution)

Mike C. (mikec@jax.gulfnet.com)
Sat, 12 Apr 1997 01:17:57 -0400

>From: CurtAdams@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:54:05 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Immortality: Avoiding Religious Persecution For Pursuing It.
>mikec@jax.gulfnet.com (Mike C.)
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>>Ben Best writes:
>>> I am an ardent life extensionist and atheist, but if someone asked
>>>me if I wanted to be "Immortal", I think I would say "No".
>>Not very ardent, how about some dynamic optimism?
>Dynamic optimism leading to just wishful thinking is useless (or worse).

If you are dynamicly optimistic
of justice done by wishfull thinking
it is not useless;
it will bring just reward.

> Dynamic optimism is useful only insofar as believing it gets you to do
>things that help you acheive your goals. I should point out that Mr. Best is
>one of the most assiduous (but sensible) practitioners on the calorie
>restriction list, so his actions reflect a dynamic optimism and a real value
>on extended life.

Then let life have value enough not to end it!

>>> It is sometimes
>>>hard to remember that FOREVER includes 10exp10exp1000 years from now.
>>>Do I want to be alive in 10exp10exp1000 years?
>>I do.
>Nobody *knows* what they will want in even 200 years, never mind
>10exp10exp1000 years.


> Nobody's ever lived that long.

That can not be proven unless you know all people.

> People change over
>time, and we are, after all, only designed to go about 100 years max. Over
>periods longer than the existence of the human race, who knows what you'll

I do, I will be a living thing.

>At some point, you may want to check out.

I may want, but I will not let me die.

>I'm quite confident I want a very extended lifespan, but not so arrogant as
>to assume I want to live forever.

So now I'm arrogant for wanting not to die.

>I describe my current goal as "500 years
>with an option to extend".

I have had many unused options.

>I'll also point out that normal human existance is about 80 years with
>significant deterioration towards the end. There is, as yet, no *proof* that
>we can do better than that.

140 years is better and has been done.

>Plausible ideas, yes. Wild speculation, yes.
> But even saying that you will make it to 120 in full possession of your
>faculties is optimistic.

Faculties come and go;
at one point I had no teeth,
and I hope again to not need teeth.