Re: First CYBORG lives...

From: John Marlow (
Date: Thu Apr 19 2001 - 21:12:27 MDT

Baby lampreys, now. would you gladly give up the puppy for an
experiment which will first place its brain in a vat and then kill it
within days? Should animals be brought into the world for this

I had a dog which got to the point where it couldn't lay down because
the fluid in its lungs would drown it. Have to disagree about this
experimental form of death being not much worse than a natural (or
injection-) death. If that brain is still conscious, it will be
terrified the last moments/hours/days of its life--abandoned and
utterly alone, with no comforting sensory "input." You would be the
cause of that, and your pet would know it.




On 19 Apr 2001, at 11:08, Adrian Tymes wrote:

> John Marlow wrote: > > This path holds the promise, perhaps, of enormous human benefits. > > The acts themselves are, pardon me, evil. No question. > > What you have here is ends-justify-the-means rationale. Any pet > > owners here? What would you think of the same being done to Fido or > > Princess? > > Having lost a cat of my own recently, under circumstances in which > experiments like this might have resulted in her still being alive, I > would have jumped at the opportunity to use her as a test subject for > this. One could tell she was starting to hate life anyway as her > insides slowly gave out, so her dying this way would not have been much > worse than her dying naturally, for her or myself. (It's a bit too > late to make that choice now, though.) > > But I may be an exception. More to the point, though, this typically > is not done to Fido or Princess, but to lab animals specifically bred > for these experiments. Consider mice: they can be as warm and cuddly > as any mammal their size, and are sometimes used as pets, yet they are > also the main food-devouring, disease-carrying (either in their blood > or in riders in their fur), house-damaging scourge in many areas and > eras of human history (case in point: the Black Plague). So...should > one shed a tear for cyber-mice experiments? >

John Marlow

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