Re: GUNS: ATTN: Max More: Misrepresentation of previous messages

From: Joe Dees (
Date: Fri Mar 09 2001 - 16:17:49 MST

('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is) >Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:16:11 -0500
>From: Michael Lorrey <>
>Subject: Re: GUNS: Misrepresentation of previous messages
>Harvey Newstrom wrote:
>> At 12:41pm -0500 2/24/01, Michael Lorrey wrote:
>> >You stop it Harvey, stop lying like joe does, and stop claiming that I
>> >introduced the subject, since I didn't introduce the subject of duelling
>> >either.
>> I apologize if my defense of Joe sounded like I was accusing Mike.
>> That was not my intent, but I agree that my words sounded like an
>> accusation against Mike. I wish I had been more clear. I was merely
>> trying to prove that Joe did not start the thread by showing Mike's
>> previous post. I did not mean to therefore pin the blame on Mike. I
>> would have and should have done much further research into the
>> history of the thread before blaming Mike. I do not know that Mike
>> was the first poster of the duel thread, and that was not the real
>> point of my post.
>> In my mind, there should be no blame at all. I therefore stupidly
>> missed the obvious connotation of what I said. It was not my intent
>> to blame Mike for anything. I do not believe he did anything wrong,
>> and he is only involved in this thread because of my ill-chosen
>> words. I wish I had been clearer in defending all participants in
>> the thread, and not just the first victim of the blame-game.
>As my first post after getting back to work from a super-flu, I'd like
>to accept Harvey's apology, and I appreciate his thoroughness as well.
>If, as I catch up on my email I see a similar one from Joe, I will
>similarly accept it as well.
>> No offense has been committed here. The g-word is not a banned
>> topic. It can and has been discussed rationally on this list.
>> Anyone is free to mention it in passing or discuss extropian issues
>> that might include guns. If it develops into a flame war, it is the
>> fault of the participants who are fighting. We cannot blame an
>> entire thread one one person or one side of an argument. It takes
>> two sides to have a war. The whole search for blame is unnecessary
>> and unfair to all people accused. The blame-game itself becomes a
>> witch-hunt where no original offense occurred.
>Thank you Harvey. I try to make an effort to not initiate any gun
>commentary, preferring to direct those to exi-freedom and save my posts
>here for other subjects, however I have had to deal with the extensive
>accusations and misrepresentations of Joe about myself, others here, and
>various gun topics/facts, and his continued claims that this topic is
>not welcome on the Extropians list, IMHO shouldn't go unanswered lest he
>redefine the list be Goebellian means. If he has since recanted his
>position on that matter in the interim, I accept his apologies in
Mr. Lorrey should be told that the topic has INDEED been relegated, by Max More, in his absence, to EXI-freedom. If he obstinately continues to post on it in violation of this decision, he will be expelled from the list, if Max is as good as his word.

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