Re: Recreating people [was: renaissance people]

Date: Sun May 14 2000 - 23:20:39 MDT

In a message dated 5/14/00 6:10:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

<< Perhaps I should have been more careful. No one is
 disputing the monumental intellectual effort that went
 into the creation of this Omega Point Theory (have ya
 read the notes?!). And, I understand your point about
 the battle against entropy. Nonetheless, the kind of
 omnipotence you're positing could create far more
 diversity out of its own resources than it would out
 of recreating a *very* primitive algorithm like a 20th
 century human mind file.
 And, if we grant that such an entity exists, then I
 would agree that it follows that this being could very
 well already possess all the knowledge it needed to
 reproduce a person's mind. But, the wall that we once
 again run into is - why do it?
 [Hint : I don't think sentimentality is a valid
 So, the argument comes full circle... >>
The answer might be because it produces new information, which mind be useful
to the mind the re-runs tha past, not available as a lower level of
implementation. Also, yes, there are notes in the back as there are all
through Barrow and Tipler's Final Anthropic Principle. Or you can also look
at Tipler & Co. most recent paper, if you'd like. gr-qc/0003082
Title: Closed Universes With Black Holes But No Event Horizons As a Solution
to the Black Hole Information Problem.
Authors: Frank J. Tipler, Jessica Graber, Matthew McGinley, Joshua
Nichols-Barrer, Christopher Staecker
Comments: 27 pages in LaTex2e, no figures

My point is that theorists like Moravec, Tipler, or Max Tegmark, suggest that
intelligent life will have use of such primatives as we, and quite possibly
not for cheap entertainment (Crusty the Clown?) David Deutsch at Oxford
believes that possibly one of the *persona of the massively, distant, future
will stir our ashes again; but that's no garauntee.On the other hand
hobbyists often do go that extra step, now don't they?

We haven't really dealt with Ed Friedkin on this list much, have we? He and
physicist, Seth Lloyd hold that the basis of the universe at the planck level
must be information. The wheel is still in spin or iso-spin, so many things
un-dreamed might be possible way way way down the road.

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