Re: Transparent Society

From: Zero Powers (
Date: Sat May 13 2000 - 18:50:41 MDT

>From: "Waldemar Ingdahl" <>

>>With that view of the government its no wonder you are afraid of
>>transparency. You seem to believe that the US is little more than a
>>disguised full-blown Orwellian dystopia. Perhaps it really is, and
>>I'm just naive. But if I thought for one minute that your view of the
>>country that I live in was anything close to reality, I'd be on the first
>>boat to Sweden.
>Ahem, as a Swede I don't think that you would like to come to Sweden;-)
>Sweden has some quite bizarre laws about surveillance too... We're not in
>league with the UK yet, but the trend is definitely not a positive one.
>Overall, since I have visited and resided in the US some times I generally
>think that personal freedom is more respected in many parts the US than in
>Just clarifying:-)

Surveillance doesn't bother me. It's Orwellian dystopias I'd rather do
without. For the record, I don't believe the US is nearly as sinister as,
say, Michael Lorrey does. But if it were, I'd be heading for the hills
(whether the hills of Sweden or not, I don't know).

The fact that the US is one of the biggest emigre destinations on the
planet, I think, says a lot about who (as between Lorrey and me) is more
right about the nature of the US. But, hey, in a debate as emotionally
charged as this one, who needs to be bogged down with something like factual
reality? :)


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