Re: law enforcement for profit

From: Harvey Newstrom (
Date: Tue May 09 2000 - 19:40:18 MDT

"Michael S. Lorrey" <> wrote:
> How is being a 'ubiquitous surveillance fanatic' (which Mr Zero has
> admitted to being) not equal to advocating that everyone reveal their
> address, as well as all sorts of other personal, private information,
> over the internet?

I still think you are "equating" what Zero said to something you think is
similar, and then attacking your "equivalence" of what he said, not what he
actually said.

> Actually, Harvey, I asked him first, so don't feel responsible on my
> account. I will stop attacking him, though, because it seems that there
> are plenty of other people on the list who have come to the conclusion
> that he or his idea is full of it, too, that surveillance is not what he
> would like it to be.

Thanks. Just for the record: I think Zero can take care of himself. I was
more worried about what newcomers would think of your behavior. And even
while I was defending Zero's rights to speak or not speak what he wanted, I
do agree that his ideas are threatening and bogus. My whole career is based
on keeping secrets, and I make a hell of a lot of money doing it. I have
personal secrets, family secrets, client secrets, industrial secrets,
military secrets, and national security secrets that I don't want to be made

Harvey Newstrom <>
IBM Certified Senior Security Consultant,  Legal Hacker, Engineer, Research
Scientist, Author.

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