Re: law enforcement for profit

From: Michael S. Lorrey (
Date: Tue May 09 2000 - 14:02:25 MDT

Harvey Newstrom wrote:
> "Michael S. Lorrey" <> wrote:
> > That has been my argument. If Mr. Zero wants to spew his identity all
> > over the public arena, let him. If he doesn't, which is apparently how
> > he feels about his personal identity, then he has absolutely no right to
> > argue that I should meet a standard that he has no intention of
> > conforming to, and by his admitted example of his instructions to his
> > kids, has no intention of encouraging any other member of his family to.
> > As it stands, I already meet his standard far better than he does.
> Mike, please. Who are you to decide if Zero has a "right" to argue anything
> he wants?
> Also, Zero has never advocated anybody reveal their address over the
> internet. I spuriously suggested that he should give me all of his personal
> details. His response was a retort that I should go first. He never
> seriously asked anybody to do this, and never promised that he would do so
> if anybody/everybody else did also.

How is being a 'ubiquitous surveillance fanatic' (which Mr Zero has
admitted to being) not equal to advocating that everyone reveal their
address, as well as all sorts of other personal, private information,
over the internet? He claims that he supports ubiquitous surveillance
for the most altruistic of reasons, yet the simple test of his own
personal commitment to lead by example fails, and exposes that he is not
being altruistic or honest.

> You are attacking Zero based on his answers to my question. This makes me
> feel partially responsible for your attack against him. I would like you to
> stop attacking Zero, and realize that he never promised or advocated giving
> out personal information on the Internet. That was a comment intended for
> me, and it doesn't mean what you think it does.

Actually, Harvey, I asked him first, so don't feel responsible on my
account. I will stop attacking him, though, because it seems that there
are plenty of other people on the list who have come to the conclusion
that he or his idea is full of it, too, that surveillance is not what he
would like it to be.

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