Re: law enforcement for profit

From: Michael S. Lorrey (
Date: Sun May 07 2000 - 10:19:19 MDT

Zero Powers wrote:
> >From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <>
> >Spike Jones wrote:
> > > Mike I think you were too hard on Zero, tho. I know that
> > > he did publish his first and last name on the list last time
> > > we went thru this particular memefest, actually I think he
> > > did so at least twice before. {8-] spike
> >
> >The last time we went at this, I gave my full name and info as above. He
> >said his first name was Michael, but did not indicate that Powers was
> >his real last name, nor did he, or has he now, matched my openness with
> >a similar level of information. That reluctance to reciprocate indicates
> >that he does not pratice what he preaches. He IS a hypocrite. I am
> >calling him on this. Hypocrisy IS a cardinal sin of the rules of debate.
> >Walk the walk if you are gonna talk the talk.
> If I had said "hey, everybody on this list, I think we should all post our
> names, addresses and phone numbers. You all go first, then I'll do so
> also." And then if I refused to do so, *that* would be hypocritical. But
> that is not even close to what I have said.

A large number of use HAVE done so. There are several directories of
transhumanists and extropians, Romana Machado's for example, where many
list members are registered and give personal info and even pictures. I
have done so. You have not. I wonder why that is.

> What I *have* said is that I think a transparent society will eventually
> become necessary, and moreover, I think it will be a good thing.

yet you hypocritically don't feel that way when you talk to your kids
disclosing personal information over the web.

> My refusal
> to give *you* my personal information does not contradict anything I have
> said. You and I exchanging personal information over the internet does
> *not* a transparent society make. It is simply a couple of idiots exposing
> themselves in public. Your "walk the walk, talk the talk" nonsense is
> clearly just a "dummy's dare" to expose myself as you have done, and I
> simply decline that invitation. That does not make me a hypocrite, a coward
> or a fascist.

How is an open society acheived without voluntary action? What you are
essentially saying is that you are calling for us, by your opinions, to
all jump off a cliff, and you are promising that you are right behind
us. Real leaders lead from the front. Only cowards lead from the rear.

A) Orwell's idea of fascism matches with your opinions better than any
other I've seen. I doubt there are many people who disagree with
Orwell's definition of fascism.
B) You have proven your hypocirsy.
C) You are unwilling to lead fromt he front.

"Your honor, you cannot fail to return a guilty verdict on all charges."

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