Harvey Newstrom wrote:
>
> "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net> wrote on Sunday, May 07, 2000
> 2:09 AM,
> > Harvey Newstrom wrote:
> > >
> > > "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net> wrote on Saturday, May 06,
> 2000
> > > 1:25 PM,
> > > > It all goes to motive Harvey. If I think the nobody in the world
> should
> > > > be able to have secrets, but I refuse to even give evidence of my
> > > > identity, its rather obvious that my motives are not altruistic.
> Calling
> > > > me on this fact throws down the gaunlet that I either practice what I
> > > > preach, or be exposed as a hypocrite.
> > >
> > > But that's exactly my concern. You are no longer making logical
> attacking
> > > on Zero's statements. You are now making personal attacks on Zero
> himself.
> > > This is clearly against the list rules and is a well-known logical
> fallacy.
> >
> > Only in a debate where the parties have no interest in the outcome. When
> > you are betting your life, you sure as hell want to know if the people
> > mean what they say, or only mean it to apply to other people, not
> > themselves. One indicates a potential altruist who walks the walk that
> > their talk describes, the other indicates a closet totalitarian.
> > Allowing totalitarians to hide behind the rules of debate is what has
> > caused the worst crimes against humanity to occur.
>
> Mike,
>
> You seem be admitting that you are intentionally violating the standard
> rules of debate and the rules of conduct for this list. I am asking the
> list owners and list moderators to look into your actions for possible list
> rule violations.
>
> I do not mean to offend you personally, and I respect your views on privacy
> and liberty. But I think you stop attacking Zero personally and stick to
> debating ideas. This list is not the correct forum for routing out
> communists and totalitarians. People on this list expect to be treated with
> respect, and expect to debate ideas without being insulted, personally
> attacked, or having their privacy threatened. These rules apply to
> everyone.
I never a) threatened anyones privacy (though Zero, by his opinions,
threatens mine) b) I am attacking not Zero personally, but his
demonstrated hypocrisy. There is a difference. c) You've never done the
same thing when Zero treated me in the same way in other debates, so you
are practicing a double standard. Because the idea in question is such a
personal matter the point is that the mere idea of his attacks me
personally, as much as the opinions of any german fascist threaten a
Jew.
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