Re: law enforcement for profit

From: Harvey Newstrom (
Date: Sun May 07 2000 - 03:22:03 MDT

"Michael S. Lorrey" <> wrote on Sunday, May 07, 2000
2:09 AM,
> Harvey Newstrom wrote:
> >
> > "Michael S. Lorrey" <> wrote on Saturday, May 06,
> > 1:25 PM,
> > > It all goes to motive Harvey. If I think the nobody in the world
> > > be able to have secrets, but I refuse to even give evidence of my
> > > identity, its rather obvious that my motives are not altruistic.
> > > me on this fact throws down the gaunlet that I either practice what I
> > > preach, or be exposed as a hypocrite.
> >
> > But that's exactly my concern. You are no longer making logical
> > on Zero's statements. You are now making personal attacks on Zero
> > This is clearly against the list rules and is a well-known logical
> Only in a debate where the parties have no interest in the outcome. When
> you are betting your life, you sure as hell want to know if the people
> mean what they say, or only mean it to apply to other people, not
> themselves. One indicates a potential altruist who walks the walk that
> their talk describes, the other indicates a closet totalitarian.
> Allowing totalitarians to hide behind the rules of debate is what has
> caused the worst crimes against humanity to occur.


You seem be admitting that you are intentionally violating the standard
rules of debate and the rules of conduct for this list. I am asking the
list owners and list moderators to look into your actions for possible list
rule violations.

I do not mean to offend you personally, and I respect your views on privacy
and liberty. But I think you stop attacking Zero personally and stick to
debating ideas. This list is not the correct forum for routing out
communists and totalitarians. People on this list expect to be treated with
respect, and expect to debate ideas without being insulted, personally
attacked, or having their privacy threatened. These rules apply to

Harvey Newstrom <>
IBM Certified Senior Security Consultant,  Legal Hacker, Engineer, Research
Scientist, Author.

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