Re: Where to look for the answers for ourselves

From: Spike Jones (
Date: Wed Apr 26 2000 - 21:23:14 MDT

John Grigg wrote: I believe people(atheists included) can
be very good at unconscious self-deception even when they think they are
being objective.

Michael LaTorra wrote: I agree with John about this.

Actually I do too. Self delusion is practically inevitable when one
has a self. A very a good question was asked by Pilate in the book
of John 18:38, "What is truth?"

My answer: hellll if I know.

> That being said, I must confess that we, too, can fool ourselves into
> believing that uploading, or resuscitation from cryonic storage, or the
> singularity, etc. will happen soon enough for us all.

I dont understand. Resuscitation from cryonic storage stage has
no time limit that I know of, and the tech to freeze and store is with
us already. The singularity, on the other hand, is likely going to happen
all too soon. {8-| I havent decided if that is a good thing or a bad
thing. {8-|

> (But there could still be hope! After all, Tipler could be right and we'll
> all be resurrected as immortal emulations at the Omega Point.

Tipler's notion is completely additive: if other immortality bids fail,
his idea might still somehow come thru for us. I estimate cryonics
gives you about a 10% chance of resurrection, Tipler adds another
1% or so, Singularity deciding it likes you: 5%, nanotech/uploading
about 20%, all other notions including traditional religion, negligible.
So the good news is we have better than a one in three chance of
indefinite survival, and yes I acknowledge the possiblity I am fooling
myself. {8^D spike

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