Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Didn't need no welfare state)

From: Michael S. Lorrey (
Date: Thu Apr 20 2000 - 09:08:58 MDT

James Wetterau wrote:

> James Rogers says:
> > On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, James Wetterau wrote:
> > >
> > > Then there are the kinds of
> > > guns and bullets police officers have access to -- "cop killer"
> > > bullets.
> >
> >
> > "Cop killer" bullets are essentially a media-generated urban
> > legend.
> ...
> My point is that the cops in New York City are permitted to use
> bullets the general public cannot use -- the so-called "cop killer"
> bullets -- despite their patrolling streets packed with large numbers
> of innocent bystanders. I find it disturbing in the extreme that in
> New York the average citizen is essentially completely disarmed, but
> hardly any weapon is too lethal for a cop walking the beat. I'm not
> making any claims about the so-called "cop killer" bullets, except to
> note the irony of the cops using them after the public had been told
> how horrible they are.

A lot of people I know who live and/or work in NYC carry, they just do so
without a permit, and they make sure they don't do anything thats likely to get
them searched by cops. The word from cops is that if a law abiding person shoots
a perp in self defense, they just take the gun away. The smart thing most of
these people know is that if they ever have to shoot a perp in self defense,
they will just walk away from the scene and dispose of the gun, and keep their
mouths shut. The people in NYC who get prosecuted for defending themselves are
those who get obstinate about their actions being justified and who hang out for
the cops to show up. The Police Commissioners hate it when the liberal press
starts giving them crap about tolerating 'vigilante justice'.

> A few years ago an undercover transit cop (a division of the NYPD that
> used to patrol the subways -- I believe they've since merged into the
> regular force) was saved by his bulletproof vest from fellow officers
> who saw him draw his gun on a suspect and began shooting him (mostly
> in the back). The case made the transit police look particularly bad
> since it seemed the officers may have assumed that the undercover cop
> was a wrongdoer due to his race. I think he sued the city
> successfully for many millions. Subsequently the cops have shifted to
> the so-called "cop killer" bullets. I guess today the undercover cop
> would be dead.

Yup, and its happened already on one raid operation.

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