Re: Is rational patriotism anti-extropian? I don't think so...

From: Michael S. Lorrey (
Date: Wed Apr 19 2000 - 09:19:43 MDT

Charlie Stross wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 08:13:15AM -0400, Michael S. Lorrey wrote:
> > > And, if you're thinking about Lockerbie, it's worth bearing the alternative
> > > theories in mind. (You know exactly who was _supposed_ to be on board
> > > Pan Am 109, but cancelled his party's reservation an hour before takeoff
> > > and caught the next flight?)
> > >
> > > Clue: here in Scotland, 90% of the informed opinion is that the Lockerbie
> > > trial will deliver one of two verdicts -- "not guilty" or "not proven".
> > >
> >
> > I haddn't heard who was supposed to be on the flight, but I had heard
> > that the defense had a supposed witness that claims a big US drug
> > operation at the airport in question, who is most likely an IRA stalking
> > horse (considering how much the IRA owes Gadaffi, I don't doubt it). I
> > can't imagine that actual taped conversations of Gadaffi congradulating
> > the team would not make it an open and shut case.
> Of course, such evidence would make it an open and shut case. But I hope
> you'll pardon me for doubting that evidence that hard exists; if it did,
> it'd have been produced by now (if only to shut up carping critics like
> myself :).

I was under the impression that that was the evidence our intelligence people had
gotten that caused us to authorize the bombing of Tripoli. I don't know if that
evidence is being released, but that was the story at the time we bombed them.

> The person I was told was due to fly on Pan Am 109, incidentally, was
> 'Pik' Botha, the South African minister of defense, and his entourage.
> (Note that I don't have a documentary source for this to hand, so I'll
> have to do a lot of digging if you challenge me on it. So be it.)
> If this isn't just synchronicity in action, I find the current South
> African government's mediation in getting the Libyans accused of the
> bombing a fair trial in a neutral country somewhat ... interesting.

So you are saying it was actually an ANC plot? The ANC, incidentally, also did a
lot of training in Libya. It seems that anyone who belongs to a terrorist group, or
sympathizes with one, is coming out of the woodwork in defense of Libya, when Libya
was the largest provider of training facilities for terrorist groups.... funny how
that goes.

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