Re: Is rational patriotism anti-extropian? I don't think so...

From: Waldemar Ingdahl (
Date: Mon Apr 17 2000 - 08:38:35 MDT

>From: (Octavio Rojas Diaz)
>Subject: Re: Is rational patriotism anti-extropian? I don't think so...
>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:55:13 -0700
>At 04:46 p.m. 16/04/00 +0000, you wrote:
>>Excuse me, but isn't this discussion rather pointless?
>>I think it is more important to be a cosmopolitan than a patriot, because
>>nations are just construtions. What distinguishes a Mexican from a
>>Honduran? Nothing, just political boundaries. And I personally see that I
>>have more in common with people on this international list than with most
>>Fighting for civil liberties is very good, but just doing it in your own
>>country won't do it, because the world is so closely connected.
>>Think locally, act globally!

> you are right in that, however you can't do something that radical
>without starting gradually, first you have to assure that the place of land
>you live aka country has a democratic government with the wish to cooperate
>with their neighboors, when that starts to happen, the exchange of culture
>and economies, starts to blur the barrier between them and help us be more
>a global village, however like you've seen not all people thinks in this
>way, and the antiglobal sentiment is very high, still I predict that
>countries will start to disappear gradually as more and more people gets
>connected, when we get higher bandwidth for all, and the emerging vr
>technologies are perfected it won't matter anymore where you are from but
>who you are.

But you have to start with a cosmopolitan, globalized ideology from the very
beginning. Otherwise there is no alternative to the present order. The
technologies you listed don't have to lead to the disappearance of nations
at all! It depends on what ideas that drive the users. Cosmopolitanism is a
state of mind, not something that is technologically ordained.

Waldemar Ingdahl
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