Waldemar Ingdahl wrote:
>
> >From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
> >Reply-To: extropians@extropy.com
> >To: extropians@extropy.com
> >Subject: Re: smart gun
> >Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 12:28:32 -0400
>
> > > How can a good civil society be made by the people?
> >
> >A good civil society occurs when the rights of all individuals are
> >respected, when the state is, and acts, subservient to the people, and
> >does not treat the minority with contempt or abuse. When people are
> >allowed to conduct their daily lives without having to fill out at least
> >one form in triplicate. Paperwork is as enslaving as a ball and chain.
> >
> >A society that requires that the common citizen obtain permits to
> >exercise their rights is not a civil socity.
>
> Perhaps I didn't use the correct English term, I didn't mean a nice
> government but the society that is not the government.
Understood, but are you hypothesizing a civil society without government
present or just community movements that will create a civil society
while ignoring government? Typically if you try to ignore government,
they get really suspicious of your motives.
>
> >
> >Yes, opening the society, eliminating restrictions and permits on law
> >abiding citizens, and dealing with criminals as criminals and law
> >abiding citizens as just that, instead of as criminals as well, is the
> >road to peace and prosperity.
>
> Indeed, I think the US naturalizes about 1 MILLION legal immigrants every
> year. In Europe there is hardly any mobility even between the countries of
> the European Union. And the EU has erected a strict barrier against the rest
> of the world.
Its our only real source of population growth. The US is, according to
some, a group of nations (legalistically this is true, its a federation
of sovereign states) on a cultural level. There's the various
metropolitan city states, the industrial northeast, the south, Texas (a
planet all its own), the south west, the northwest, and the populist
midwestern states, and Alaska. I'm sure that many in europe look at the
mobility between all of these states and cultures as a big contributor
to not only the dynamism but the civil distress that goes on here.
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