the cryonics enclave- focus on net connections, stargazing and a garden

From: john grigg (
Date: Fri Apr 14 2000 - 15:25:06 MDT

Hello everyone,

In these posts David Pizer addresses some questions in the area of net
connections(he is big on that!) and the possibility of having a small
astronomical observatory there. He also writes about a website being
developed right now to promote the project. A community greenhouse and
garden is another idea that is a real possibility.

best regards,

John Grigg

Message #13542Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:38:19 -0500
From: david pizer <>Subject: Re: CryoNet #13518 - #13532
At 05:00 AM 4/12/00 -0400, CryoNet wrote:
Message #13519
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:25:51 -0700>From: Kennita Watson>
Subject: Pizerville project>Hi David --
>Do you have a Web wite for this project yet?

Mr friend, Forrest Munden, and I are starting an internet service provider,
E-store, web-site, and related items, business. He has the beginning
expertise and energy, and I am funding it. He is building a site for this
venture as we speak. I hope he will jump in here and send more information,
to this address. Mike Perry is working with him and will probably be
sending information on this soon.snip

>>This will involve a good repore with the coroner's office
>>and perhaps some legal work.
>I think the word you're looking for is "rapport" (I like the ones
>that today's spell checkers have *no* hope of fixing, especially
>when even an intelligent person with a dictionary who didn't know >how to
>spell the word couldn't find it to look it up).

You are right. Thanks for the mention. I apologize for my lack of spelling
skills. I realize it makes my posting harder to read and I try to look up as
many words as I know I have spelled wrong. But surely a lot of mistakes
slip through.
>>Another 6 months after that and we should have stage 1 completed. Do you
>>want to make a reservation now :=)

>>By the way, how much might land for houses and such go for in >Pizerville?

I don't know at this early stage what we will charge for sale or lease. It
will depend on what the devolopment costs are to get the land ready to build
on. There is land nearby, that has utilities and sewer that goes for
$25,000 or so, for an acre.

Within 5 miles there are available: Medium size houses (say, 1500 sq ft) on
a large lot (say, 1 acre) turnkey ready in the $100,000 range. The smaller
little homes on small lots start around $75,000.
Although there is a lot of interest in buying, I still think when it gets
right down to it, there will be a lot of people who will rent or lease
because the rates should be real low, and there is no big investment needed
like in buying and building. But we plan to offer both and see what the
cryonicists prefer.

Also, we will need rentals because even for those people who want to buy
land and build, I think they should rent for several months first, to be
sure they like the community before they make a bigger investment.

>Message #13520>From:>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:42:27 EDT
>Subject: wish list for Dave Pizer.
>>What are the things you want? Be specific!
> >Now is the time to post a list of what you would like to see >>avaiable
>at this facility while we are in the planning stages.>> >>Post your wish

>I know about some tropical plants with >interesting properties. >Because
>the products they contain is not on >the market, there is no >other option
>that cultivate them... In a >greenhouse So this item >would be usefull.

This is a nice idea. Perhaps we should have a community green house and
garden area, with irrigation etc. where each resident could have a small
section of land to grow certain foods that they like????

I think you can grow apples and fruit (probably not citrus), grapes, corn,
potatoes, I'm not sure what else. The elevation is 4,000 feet.
One advantage to community garden, opposed to individual gardens, is that
each person could take turns working the whole garden for a day. So if there
are 20 participants in the community garden, each person would work the
whole garden only one out of 20 days and could come and go more often. I
don't know much about gardening, and part of the fun of a garden might be
working in it, so this idea may not be very good.

>Do you know about Rimu trees? There are some of them in California, >what
>about your location?

No, I have never heard of them. What are they good for?

>I am an amateur astronomer and telescope builder. Is there a possible
> >place for such an instrument (what diameter is possible?) Is there a
> >heavy light pollution in the area?

I have had several people suggest astronomy. The night air is very clear. I
think it would be nice to have an astronomy building, even though it might
have to start out small.??

>Could be there a technical workshop where big lasers could be built?

I know nothing about this. I would like to hear more. Also, the uses for
these at the commnunity, etc. If there is a demand for this, we probably
can have it. We would have to find out about zoing rules etc. If it was
for hobby, and not for a business, then the zoning would not be an issue.


>Message #13526>From: "john grigg" <>
>Subject: Cryonics Community Ideas>
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:04:21 PDT
>Ryan White wrote:
>What do you think about (computer) networking the entire community? If the
>proper provisions were made during the planning phases of residential
>construction, future implementation would be less complicated and more
>cost-effective, especially considering the potential returns.
>Using this backbone, community members would not only have the perks of
>speed Internet connection, (which is becoming an increasingly important
>consideration for prospective residents these days - for me, it was my
>PRIMARY concern when choosing an apartment :-) ) but one might also be able
>to use this as a basis for the implementation of a large-scale
>bio-statistics monitoring network, or something of that nature. I'm not
>really certain how people would react to this latter idea, but I imagine it
>could be done.>(end)
>I am reposting this from the extropian list. I thought Ryan had some good
>ideas here. David, what do you think?>sincerely,>John Grigg

I think they are VERY GOOD ideas. I am meeting with Ryan this Saturday to
discuss this further. I hope he reports further after the meeting.
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