Re: Hiveminds and the Great Filter

Spike Jones (
Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:37:52 -0800

Michael S. Lorrey wrote:

> Since WHEN have quasars been considered to exist within our own galaxy?
> Everything I've ever heard said they are distant extragalactic objects that put out
> the energy of hundreds of thousands of stars.

Thats right, Mike. This is why I posted that any measured proper motion is experimental error. There were plenty of indications, even before the Hipparcos data, that quasars were distant and energetic, waaay extragalactic phenomena, specifically their enormous redshift. There was, and perhaps still is, debate that quasars are associated with relatively near galaxies to an extent that is statistically significant, but I sure dont see how they could be, with all that red shift. Halton Aarp I think is the name of the guy who was proposing that notion. spike