Re: free speech? (was: nuremburg files judgement)

Randall Randall (
Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:22:08 -0500

I've lately thought that on Mon, 01 Mar 1999, Timothy Bates wrote:
>Randall Randall do say
>> I'd want *any* free speech allowed, even "Fire!" in a crowded
>> theater... Of course, this would always be covered by contract...
>If I say "fire" in a crowded theatre and 10 people are trampled to death, I
>am responsible and will be tried for manslaughter. I support that.

I don't. That it, saying this supposes that either I am responsible for others' actions, or that I have a default contract with everyone to supply only information I know is good. I think everyone is responsible for their own actions, *even if* they are verbally instructed to take some given action. Also, I do not believe that lying should be illegal, when it is not fraud (returning no value for value recieved.

>Let anyone say anything, is my motto. Except it turns out that I don't think
>people should be able to inject dangerous false information into a crowded
>theatre. Am I a hypocrite? I think not any more than i could defend myself
>against a murder charge if I fired the gun on voice command instead of
>pulling the trigger.

But this is so because the *gun* cannot be responsible, no?

>If you say "Bill, kill tim and I will give you 5 grand" that is a crime. Not
>because of the speech per se. but because of the contract it creates: a
>contract to initiate force. I support that.

I don't.

>Is that a reasonable position: free speech = all speech which does not
>directly aid specific acts of violence?

It is reasonable, however, I think it wrong, as well.

>Food for thought:
>What is speech that it is free where action is not? When is speech action?

When it *causes* action, as in the voice-activated gun you proposed.

>Why are we not free to speak lies (that is libel)?

We should be. :)

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