Re: The Cloning Debate (again)

Randall R Randall (
Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:43:10 -0500

On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:04:58 -0500 Michael Lorrey <>
>Randall R Randall wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:27:57 +0100 Erik Moeller
>> <> writes:
>> >a human a product which you can either afford or not, depending on
>> >your
>> >position in the capitalist society. Of course this is perfectly in
>> >the
>> > line of
>> >thinking of a free market capitalist. In his view, humans have
>> >always
>> Please. Surely you don't really believe this?
>Beleive what? That a person should have to demonstrate a minimum
>capacity before being allowed to reproduce?

How did you get this? I was under the impression that Mr. Moeller
was saying that free market advocates spouse slavery; that is,
that people are merely consumer goods.

>While one could say this
>is an
>unreasonable imposition on the individuals rights to procreate, I say
>my being forced by government, society, and my own concience, to
>support the
>abandoned products of irresponsible reproduction is an unreasonable
>impostion on my privacy, my personal productivity, and my rights to
>the fruits of that productivity. My being forced to pay for not only
>irresponsible reproduction, but to pay an incompetent government
>to raise these children in such a negligent manner is also being
>forced to
>be an accessory to child neglect and abuse, while my own ability to
>support and demonstrate a fiscal ability to properly raise my own
>is infringed upon. Pick someone elses pocket, buddy!!

Um, and? I agree with you, but what has this to do with
whether humans are seen as products to be bought and

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