Re: The Fourth Turning

Robin Hanson (
Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:56:40 -0800 (PST)

Chris Hind writes:
>>Gen X is not the only generation around, is politically weak for its
>Does size really matter that much? It's not the size that counts, it's how
>you use it. Seriously. Fuck the voting system. We all know voting means
>very little when bureaucracy is involved.

Gen X is also underrepresented in bureaucracy as well.

>>and need not be an indicator of future generations to follow.
>Why is that?
>>"that book" predicts otherwise. Why do you hate it?
>Exactly what you said. It's a bleak depressing look at the future. It's an
>interesting concept but there are multiple things the book hasn't
>meantioned that occurred but didn't fit into their meme. Besides each past
>generation has had to become accustomed to the trends of the new. The
>spiritual Awakening turn will not solve the problems meantioned in the
>unraveling. ... Catastrophic
>events occur but they aren't linked to social behaviors. ... If this
>pattern were true, different societies all around the world would be in
>different turns altogether due to cultural differences. How these turns
>might interact could bring about different eras if this were true. But they
>claim that all of society runs on this central clock. How do they explain
>this? Celestial influences? Sunspots? ... It's trash.

I really think you need to understand something at at least a basic
level before you can reject it this strongly. Strauss & Howe do give
a plausible causal influence story, they don't try to explain
everything, they do address geographic variation, and whether
something depresses you is no indication of whether it is true.
Please either learn the basics here or say you don't know.

Robin D. Hanson