Re: Re[2]: Upload motivations (was SPACE: Lunar Billboard?)

Eugene Leitl (
Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:38:40 +0100 (MET)

On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Guru George wrote:

> [ real reality cannot be substituted by any ersatz ]
> Isn't the difference only in what you get used to? We are used to the

The beauty of uploads is -- with equivalent of a fingersnip you can
instantly imbibe _any_ experiences, e.g. including seeing/participating
an ALife world in 16-space. An (assumed conservative) upload character
Karpal (ex-Gleisner robot polis) finds an natural 16-space artifical
reality ALife ecosystem in floating polysaccharide (molecular computer)
carpets in Greg Egan's "Wang's Carpets" (Luminous ain't bad, either), and
lends his renderer to the main character of the story, an EZ-polis
uploader. Ironically, the first found extraterestrial life form is even
more solipsistic/weird than the introspective implosion civ of Terra

> sensory abilities we have, so our Gestalt of the world is well knit (so
> to speak); feedback is understood unconsciously.

Humans are adaptive creatures, time given you can generate Gestalt from
any (consistent) garbage.

> We would probably get the same feeling from telepresence eventually.

Any sufficiently progressed artificial reality renderer is
indistinguishable from reality.

> Guru George