Re: Invasion of the Meme Snatchers

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Fri Feb 15 2002 - 17:59:47 MST wrote:
> In a message dated 2/15/2002 5:24:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> writes:
> << I agree, but one has to ask what what level of "proof" would be
> required that such nanobots do not exist. To prove it demonstrably
> in my mind, one would need to slice up the brains of every
> individual on the planet at the 0.1-1 micron level and look
> for signs of nanobots. I don't see a high probability for people
> rushing to sign up for this clinical trial.
> >>
> I am guessing that we would have uncovered astounding, anomalies, had such
> 'unusal bacteria, prions, existed. There are lots of biologist who would have
> reported something 'very curious'. So far, no great surprises. When I first
> read Professor Walkers' proposal of the question, the idea of the
> mitochondria inside the cells of just about everything living, might be such
> an anomaly. But why not just accept the more obvious argument, that this is
> an earthly, phenomena?

I think that Persinger's experiments with triggering hypnogogic seizures
(i.e. the 'religious' or 'abduction' experience) with cycling magnetic
fields on the brain demonstrate that there is a significant degree of
stimuli needed to trigger these odd experiences, which could be easily
triggered by nanoprobes tapping directly into the neural net of the

One need not slice and dice brains to find them, I think.

I just went to donate blood today and participated in the pheresis
procedure, where they filter out the red blood cells and give you back
your plasma and platelets. A similar process could be instituted on
college campuses to process students blood and test it for presence of
nanoprobes and their side products. If you expect that x percent of
nanoprobes will fail in a given amount of time, you should find some in
any given sample of blood.

Now, to prevent the nanites from suspecting anything, if you disguise
the process as a run of the mill pheresis procedure, so that even the
students dont know they are being scanned, then it should be possible to
spot them if they are in fact there. Now, you could target specific
individuals by running a totally separate study to privately interview
individuals who have had hynogogic experiences in the past, then focus
on them when they go to 'give blood'.

> I would argue that technically, it would seem that it would be easier
> producing a computer that runs a simulation, that merely moves electrons
> around in continuous off-on states, then it might be to slam 50 kilograms of
> matter, that may have been somehow, pre-programmed, and produce life,
> sensation, and intelligence. I could be wrong on this, but do not see how.

Well, the question of the presence of nano-probes or even
nano-civilizations living as 'crypto-dirt' is a very important test to
the question of whether we live in a simulation, because if you accept
the reasoning of the Fermi Paradox, either they are here as nanites and
we just haven't detected them yet, or else they aren't here for the
simple reason that the universe is a simulation which is FAR younger
than our observations would indicate, which is why we have not seen
alien species jetting all over (or living as nanites in our brains or in
the dustmice.)

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