Re: Its Over

From: Extropian Agro Forestry Ventures Inc. (
Date: Sun Jan 06 2002 - 11:24:16 MST

I know that discussion of cosmological matters without proper grounding
is a way to make a fool of one's self but there are some fundamentals
that seem only logical.

That our time and space are the only such occurance of a physical
universe would be not unlike the midieval people who thought that the
earth was the center of the universe. So if the universe is deemed to
expand forever into nothingness then perhaps that is only from our
perspective. The 4 dimensions we directly sense are theorized to be not
"all that exists". The concept that human life is the only form of
intelligence or that or concept of "sentient life" is the only self
aware form of matter/energy is self limiting. So the question is what
are the possible mechanisms which would reverse the unlimited repulsion
into something cyclic in whole or part. What are the fundamental
mechanisms to conserve information. Can the sum total of the universe
be programmed to conserve information?

MJ wrote:

> <<Life and intelligence could sustain themselves indefinitely in such
> a universe, even as the stars winked out and the galaxies were all
> swallowed by black holes, Dr. Freeman Dyson, a physicist at the
> Institute for Advanced Study, argued in a landmark paper in 1979. "If
> my view of the future is correct," he wrote, "it means that the world
> of physics and astronomy is also inexhaustible; no matter how far we
> go into the future, there will always be new things happening, new
> information coming in, new worlds to explore, a constantly expanding
> domain of life, consciousness, and memory."
> Now, however, even Dr. Dyson admits that all bets are off. If recent
> astronomical observations are correct, the future of life and the
> universe will be far bleaker.
> In the last four years astronomers have reported evidence that the
> expansion of the universe is not just continuing but is speeding up,
> under the influence of a mysterious "dark energy," an antigravity that
> seems to be embedded in space itself. If that is true and the universe
> goes on accelerating, astronomers say, rather than coasting gently
> into the night, distant galaxies will eventually be moving apart so
> quickly that they cannot communicate with one another. In effect, it
> would be like living in the middle of a black hole that kept getting
> emptier and colder.
> In such a universe, some physicists say, the usual methods of
> formulating physics may not all apply. Instead of new worlds coming
> into view, old ones would constantly be disappearing over the horizon,
> lost from view forever.
> Cosmological knowledge would be fragmented, with different observers
> doomed to seeing different pieces of the puzzle and no single observer
> able to know the fate of the whole universe or arrive at a theory of
> physics that was more than approximate.>>

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