From: Steve Nichols (
Date: Wed Jan 02 2002 - 10:40:48 MST

Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:32:44 -0800
From: "Michael M. Butler" <>
Subject: HUMAN GENETIC DRIFT, BONE STRUCTURE, was Re: Politics, Extropians

Steve Nichols wrote:

> > but events move quickely and have clearly overtaken "transhuman"
> > in all of its forms.

>All? An extraordinary claim.

Obviously if we are already amongst the first generations of posthumans
and transhumanity occurred during the C19th & C20th, then striving to
be "transhuman" is regressive and fairly pointless.

> > No one picked up on my posting about "archeological" evidence
> > we are already posthuman, but never mind.

>Perhaps we were all in awe of its depth and irrefutability.

Jantz' case seems pretty solid to me. You might want to dispute
my interpretations of it ..... but sure, who can argue that archeological
remains are the basis of categorising species, and clearly identifiable
changes have happened over the last 200 years.

>Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. This sounded just a
little bit
>like a Claude Degler fugue to me.

Actually you are way wrong here if by "extraordinary" you mean complex
proof. Occam's razor suggests that the simplest proofs are the most
powerful and extraordinary. Another example is how MVT solved the
human-era "mind-body problem" (

Chaturanga - the Mother of All War Games!

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