Re: Non-Artistic AIs/Uploading--was Adrian's Re: Paradox --was Re:Activeshields,was Re: Criticism depth,was Re: Homework, Nuke

From: Adrian Tymes (
Date: Sun Jan 14 2001 - 21:53:53 MST

John Marrek wrote:
> On 14 Jan 2001, at 8:40, Adrian Tymes wrote:
> > I do. In fact, I see more serious progress towards uploading than I do
> > towards AI - mainly because the upload research does not focus on
> > uploading per se, but on creating those technologies which will be
> > needed for uploading, while AI has not come to a consensus on why they
> > have failed thus far and started doing something about it.
> **Cool. Got Links?

Where to begin?

I'll assume you've heard all you want to about Mr. Warwick and his
implant experiments (past and planned). If not, he should be tres easy
to look up; some critics go so far as to call him a media hound.
And while I'm citing from Wired...
and (only a few of these are relevant, but...)

And, oh, why don't I pull some speculation from our own publications?
(copied from Extropy 6:2), and especially its reference
and references from there.

That's only nine plus a note, but I can flood the list with more if you
really want. Oh, and did I mention my college thesis on connecting
neurons to electromechanical devices back in '96? It's more of a
thought piece than a scientific breakthrough, I'll admit, but I can send
you an HTML copy of it if you want. (I don't have a personal site to
put it on at this time, mainly because I have little need for one just
now.) As far as I can tell, most of what it argues for became
commercial reality by early '99.

The point is: these can start by mimicing not-so-complex functions
outside of the brain, then slowly creep in as the functions are reverse
engineered. AI, if it is to preclude the possibility of uploading (and
thus, have no mapping from organic brain to silicon), must start
essentially from scratch - and that effort's behind.

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