RE: How do you calm down the hot-heads?

From: matus (matus@matus1976.com)
Date: Wed Sep 10 2003 - 21:57:49 MDT

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    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: Robbie Lindauer
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    >If you want one, you've got to take it. I could give it to you, but
    >then I'd have less. You'd have to trade something, but there's only
    >the two things.

    And

    >> Positive-sum games do
    >> exist.
    >
    >Ah, like Amway.

    Do all transactions require someone to lose and another to win? Are all
    exchanges zero sum or are they not?

    >
    >The earth has a limited amount of fundamental resources - Land, Food,
    >Energy, human effort, etc. We can re-arrange the distribution
    >of these
    >items a lot (that's what the global economy IS...) but it doesn't
    >usually create NET more land, food or human effort.

    Does the Earth have a limited amount of Wealth? Last I checked, we
    werent running out of Food or Energy, since we have more of both now
    than ever in the entire history of humanity.

    >And yes, there are alternative value economic theories, Marx is the
    >standard, I like the modifications by Istvan Meszaros.
    >

    Ah, and so many extropian list members thought there were no communists
    on board. Jeff Davis, you have a buddy, someone who shares your idea
    that a moral communist state can exist. Sure, it may, but no communist
    state has ever come close to being moral, and Robbie, I am surprised to
    hear you make such comments, since there is NO FORM OF GOVERNMENT that
    is farther from extropian as communist ones have been. But alas, I am
    sure you are holding out for that perfect extropian communist government
    eh? Maybe one of those ingorant peasant farmers will bring about the
    singularity. As Gorby pointed out in the late 80's, Singapore generated
    more wealth than the ENTIRE Soviet Union. But it must have been because
    it was exploiting the working man, right?

    Michael Dickey



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