RE: Is theft becoming impossible?

From: Adrian Tymes (wingcat@pacbell.net)
Date: Thu Sep 04 2003 - 23:55:55 MDT

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    --- Emlyn O'regan <oregan.emlyn@healthsolve.com.au>
    wrote:
    > That said, I think you still must explain organised
    > crime bodies, especially
    > long standing ones. I think there you get criminals
    > who can become
    > extremely, persistently wealthy. They most likely
    > include the more
    > intelligent members of the set of criminals,
    > although probably contain a
    > goodly number of bozos too (like legitimate
    > business).

    Oh, no question. It is likely they comprise almost
    all of the "small minority" of relatively smart
    crooks. But even they tend to run legitimate
    businesses as well. Whatever brings in the money.

    One kind of scam they run, we're all probably familiar
    with. You know all those spams for ultra-cheap
    medications? True, a number of them come from
    legitimate generics, but a number of them are also
    stolen medications. They don't care (don't really
    know) if the meds have expired, been ruined due to
    poor storage conditions, or what. This is one of the
    ways some of the more corrupt governments get money
    out of the medicine in humanitarian aid packages meant
    for their people. (They do this with the food, too.
    Anything that can be repackaged and sold to the
    outside world.)

    And, of course, don't forget that the same tongue that
    can swindle a few bucks today would be right at home
    in the mouth of tomorrow's politician.

    > I think there are probably strong psychological
    > reasons for there to be
    > intelligent, uncaught criminals; I'd bet there are
    > people of extreme talents
    > with a taste for risk, who are drawn to it. I wonder
    > if they tend to either
    > be eventually caught, or drop out after a little
    > while?

    My own experiences with such in the cracker (black hat
    hacker) community is that, if they do not wind up
    getting rich off their efforts within a few years,
    they tend to switch over to the legal side as
    "security consultants". I would not be surprised if
    this happens in other cases too, generating a number
    of police and military recruits. It's been cited that
    one of the leading indicators for crime has been youth
    unemployment: a bunch of kids (teens, sometimes on up
    to mid 20s depending on how one counts the statistics)
    not seeing anything better to do with their time.



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