RE: How do you calm down the hot-heads?

From: Rafal Smigrodzki (rafal@smigrodzki.org)
Date: Tue Aug 26 2003 - 20:28:13 MDT

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    Aubrey wrote:

    >
    > Surely I am not the only person here who finds it quite easy to take
    > more or less any intelligent person who claims on any non-religious
    > basis that aging is a good thing and demonstrate to them that their
    > view is inconsistent. (<http://www.gen.cam.ac.uk/sens/why.htm>
    > summarises my usual approach.) The problem we face is not one of
    > logic: the logic is trivially on our side.

    ### I liked your exposition and of course I have no substantive
    disagreements with you, but, to act as the advocatus diavoli:

    Points 8 and 9 rely on a somewhat idiosyncratic definition of genocide -
    "killing a lot of people of a particular race". This is more properly
    characterized as mass murder. Genocide, especially as used by thinkers with
    a collectivist bent, is an attempt to eradicate a nation, race or culture.
    "Genus" is Latin for "race" or "kin", so for a collectivist, genocide is
    more than just killing a lot of people - it is killing a superhuman entity,
    and therefore worse than just killing humans. What's more, a nation denied
    access to techniques of rejuvenation will not die, and some might even claim
    that the attrition of its constituent parts is necessary for progress, akin
    to shedding of human enteric epithelial cells.

    Such quibbles can be used by a wily opponent to advance his position against
    the transhumanist, perhaps under the pretext of "saving the spirit of the
    society", or similar gobbledygook. It might be better to stick to the
    simpler argument - killing a lot of people by denying them rejuvenation
    treatment they want and can afford, is mass murder, and as such prima facie
    bad, even if not genocidal.

    Rafal



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