Re: Considering standard of living (was Re: Land of let's only talk about whats wrong with the US)

From: Mark Walker (mark@permanentend.org)
Date: Sat Aug 23 2003 - 17:51:58 MDT

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    Barbara Lamar wrote:

    > > Based on calculations from
    > > http://www.prismusa.homestead.com/files/Duckweed.htm (see for derivation
    > > http://www.permanentend.org/home.html under resources) a 3m2 pond
    > > should be
    > > sufficiently large to
    > > process the waste of a single human.
    >
    > I have no doubt this, or some variation, would work. I've secretly
    > maintained grey water systems in two cities, using various plants for
    > purification (I've found that water hyacinths in combination with papyrus
    do
    > a good job, and the water hyacinths grow extremely rapidly and provide a
    > ready supply of mulch for the gardens). None of the neighbors has ever
    > suspected. There is not an unpleasant odor unless you pour something toxic
    > down the drain and kill off your aerobic bacteria. Even then, the system
    > recovers rapidly.
    >
    > However, I've found that a more efficient and aesthetically pleasing means
    > of treating the byproducts of human metabolism (that is to say, shit and
    > pee) is to use thermophilic composting. There is no more odor than with a
    > conventional toilet; you don't need expensive fancy contraptions; the heat
    > kills pathogens, even worm eggs; the process takes up very little space
    and
    > is over with quickly -- in warm weather you go from excrement and sawdust,
    > dead leaves, or other high-carbon waste material to beautiful soil in a
    > couple of weeks. I have never used this process in town, but I used it the
    > whole time I lived on the farm. My cost to install the system was $15 for
    > the wood, lath and cement to make a base for the seat, $3.98 for two
    plastic
    > buckets, and a few bucks for cinder blocks to enclose the compost pile.
    >
    I remember Damien relating a while back how he used to get his head stuck
    down a dunny (translation: toilet) in grade school. I'm guessing he's glad
    it wasn't your type of toilet--but rather than speculating perhaps you
    should put this to the test. I've looked at commercial units that sell in
    the $500 range based on the same principles as you describe. While I won't
    dispute the efficiency of the breakdown, it seems to me to yield a less
    useable product. I use the duckweed to feed the carp and cichlids in my
    system. Duckweed is amazing--it can double its own weight under ideal
    conditions. I realize that you use the night soil to fertilize, but I think
    using soil is ultimately less efficient than using hydroponics (actually
    aquaponics)--soil is old school man. ; ) Thanks for the feedback.

    Mark

    Mark Walker, PhD
    Research Associate, Philosophy, Trinity College
    University of Toronto
    Room 214 Gerald Larkin Building
    15 Devonshire Place
    Toronto
    M5S 1H8
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